Employee Address changes via ESS

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jeremy.zerr
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    We want to add the functionality for an employee to change their own address through ESS.

    For obvious reasons (auditing), we want this action to be pending, not immediate.

    I was very disappointed when I found the Lawson delivered address change ESS module directly updates HR11.  How dangerous is that!  That makes it completely worthless to us, and to many others I would guess.

    The Manager Self service allows address changes if you have a Personnel Action that is for address changes, but we want the employees to change their own address, not have to go to their managers to do it, that defeats our goal of having the employees do this.

    I am working on hacking apart the Personnal Action MSS module to make it work for employees to do an address change that goes into pending via PA52.  This is rather difficult.

    Has anyone else run into this problem?  Am I making it harder on myself than it needs to be?  Are there better solutions?

    Jeremy Zerr

    St. Luke's Regional Medical Center, Boise, ID

    John Henley
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      I have some clients who share your disappointment, and would prefer that address changes be entered and initiated by the employees, but include a workflow approval before updating "live" data.
      Thanks for using the LawsonGuru.com forums!
      John
      stephanie
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        Although I understand your fear, we've had address changes available for ees since we rolled out ESS, and have had no issues with it.  We had more trouble when data entry was performed off  paper submissions (and we have more issues with direct deposit input on ESS). 

        You still have the option of using HS07 to notify PR (or your designate) when an address is changed - at least someone can review the data. Sometimes, giving ees control of their own data isn't necessarily a bad thing in my opinion.

        Roger French
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          It's only as "dangerous" as employees want it to be. In ESS, the employees themselves are responsible for their own data - a GOOD thing. If they want to screw up their own data or manipulate it for whatever reason, that's their choice. They just have to keep in mind that if they enter in that data, then good luck on getting pay checks, and other type of mailings sent correctly! Besides, if they detect an error or whatever in their address then they themselves can correct whenever they want to, not when HR gets around to it. A win-win for everyone.

          My experience from several customers is that employees love handling their own data.

          Just my 2 cents.

          Jan
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            One thing to consider - while you are right that the employee suffers if they mess up their own address, employers should consider doing due diligance in auditing address updates. A new employee self service, and how to use, can be a daunting task to certain employee groups, such as employees who are uncomfortable doing things online, or recent immigrants who may be unfamiliar with updating their own address. Despite their best intentions and efforts, addresses may not be updated correctly.

            Also, the post office is putting more stringent address checking into effect on May 1, 2009 - incorrect addresses at that point won't only affect the employee themselves, but the mailroom of your businesses who will have to deal with returned mail.
            Jay Riddle
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              We have a SmartNote that goes out when employee addresses are changed.
              jeremy.zerr
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                From our view, the big reasons for doing pending is:

                • the state on the address triggers taxes through BSI
                • need to fit address lines in 22 chars for IRS W2 regs
                • need to hold address changes on terminated employees

                It is difficult to fit address lines into 22 characters that is necessary for W2s.  We can't reasonably require an employee to figure out how to abbreviate and split an address among ADDR1 and ADDR2.

                If a employee terminates because they move out of the country (or out of state) and changes their address before then, we need to back it out to finish their last paycheck because of taxation purposes.  Its a lot easier to catch that while its pending.

                stephanie
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                  Just an FYI - the limit and truncation of the address only occurs on the EFW2 file, its not a problem on the W2 itself going to the employee. One less worry for you, I hope!
                  TimC
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                    How do I find out what EMPLOYEEADDRESS is mailing or residence?
                    TimC
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                      Rephrase, I'm trying to build an SQL Query outside of Lawson and need to fetch a specific address. How would the join operations and flag to fetch this?
                      TimC
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                        How do I find out what EMPLOYEEADDRESS is mailing or residence?
                        Fed Perspective
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                          Not trying to be wise - but check with your data entry crew. The software doesn't care whether you use home or supplemental for either. If I recall (and I don't have a copy of the software available) ESS changes home address fields only
                          Margie Gyurisin
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                            ESS can change supplemental address. We hid that because of the way the system work with addresses and did not want employees messing with it.

                            I agree with your statement that you need to check with the folks in charge of data entry. You can enter data anyway you want. Lawson gives you 4 lines for address to use in addition to city/state/zip.